Tuesday, February 20, 2007

Blog Question 7-8

After reading chapters 7-8, what do you think the significance of Sibyl's death is? How is her death symbolic? How will it affect or foreshadow coming events in the book? How does her death relate to Dorian's picture and what does the change in the picture symbolize?

26 Comments:

Blogger asaetveit said...

I believe the significance of Sibyl's death in "The Picture of Dorian Gray" is the show the drastic changes Dorian is making as a character. Becoming more and more like Lord Hennery not caring about others just using them as tools all while being controlled by the painting. Her death is the symbolic turning point of Dorian’s Character, now being fully emerged into his true heartless self centered character. It foreshadows the fall of Dorian as a kind innocent naive character and into his heartless character. The pictures change shows the satisfaction he has from affecting her so drastically.

February 20, 2007 6:05 PM  
Blogger KatieA said...

I think that the death of sibyl was to show Dorian that he can't just walk around doing whatever he wants to people lik Lord Henry. It was to show Dorian that you can't just mess with peoples feeling like Lord Henry, because someone will get hurt. And Sibyl gets so hurt she kills herself. I think it is foreshadowing that Dorian will realize that he doesn't want to be like Lord Henry and treat people like that, so he will soon change his ways. Also the picture changes because Dorian has changed he has become more like Lord Henry.

February 20, 2007 6:31 PM  
Blogger Nick W said...

I agree with Andy. The death of Sibyl shows the control Lord Henry has. I think this death will lead to the death of Dorian. Lord Henry will make him believe in something so much that Dorian will see no reason to live. He won't be able to cope with the painting. The painting changing symbolizes the change in Dorian's feelings for Sibyl. When she died a part of Dorian died as well.

February 20, 2007 6:52 PM  
Blogger zverges said...

I agree with Andy when he said that Dorian gets satisfaction out of Sibyl’s death because it means that he affected her so greatly. Sibyl’s death is significant because it forces Dorian to realize that he has a great amount of power over people because of his beauty. Her death symbolizes the dark, corrupt and ever changing face of Dorian, not only in his painting, but in his life as well. If Dorian can make someone kill themselves after knowing them for hardly a week, then Sibyl’s death might foreshadow more deaths later on in the book. Sibyl’s death points out the flaws in Dorian’s painting, especially the flaws that no one knew about. Her death is an everlasting scar on his life, whether he realizes it or not. The scar in his life also scars the youth and the purity of his painting.

February 20, 2007 8:20 PM  
Blogger StaceyK said...

I think the death affects Dorian beacuse it makes him more like Lord Henry, which he wants to be more like. Lord Henry greatly affected him and now he greatly affected Sybil, but in another way causing the death of her. I think after a while Dorian will recognize that she died and he will be greatly depressed and he will see that Lord Henry has affected his life and he will end up not wanting to be friends with him.

February 20, 2007 8:24 PM  
Blogger melissa b said...

The significance of the death of Sibyl is that Dorian actually had impact on her life and he had no idea. He has started acting like Lord Henry by mistreating others and not knowing it. I agree with Nick on how it foreshadows by maybe the next person who dies or is seriously hurt is Dorian. He hurts himself, by turning into something he is not. Therefore he suffers because he is unsure of what to do. He becomes weak. The death of Sibyl relates to the picture by Dorian becoming like Lord Henry and when Sibyl died she brougth part of DOrian with her.

February 20, 2007 8:40 PM  
Blogger levik said...

The death of Sibyl is caused by Dorian and his abililty to intrigue others with his beauty. Sibyl is so caught up in her love for Dorian that when Dorian shows one sign of being different than what she first thought, she kills herself. I agree with Andy and Zach that Dorian now feels content with Sibyl's death. Lord Henry has instilled in Dorian a philosophy of living for life's pleasures and forgetting and not dwelling on the past. Once Sibyl dies, I think the stage is set for Dorian's downfall. Dorian does not care that she died and says that her death was pitiful. This carefree outlook Dorian now possesses shows that there is no turning back for him. He has chosen a way of living and now he will pay the consequences for it. I believe he has lost his innocence and the painting will not bear all of his burden. He wants the painting to take all of his aging and pain, but eventually life will hit Dorian hard for the corruption that has set in.

February 20, 2007 9:22 PM  
Blogger jessg said...

I think that Sibyl's death is a reflection of Wilde's views of the great plays of his time. I think the entire relationship between Dorian and Sibyl was simply a mockery of plays such as Romeo and Juliet. I do believe however that Sibyl's death signifies the loss of all inocence in Dorian. Sibyl stood for purity and truth and her death, which has already caused a change to the painting, signifies Dorian decending into "darkness" if you will. Upon her death, Dorian seems to surrender to evil and to sins. He resolves to basically not care about his actions and to only care about his image and how he is percieved. In this same way, I think that Sibyl's death foreshadows a evil future for Dorian which will be filled with sin and a corrupt nature.

February 20, 2007 9:25 PM  
Blogger alexmu said...

I also agree with Andy. With Lord Henry's influence, Dorian no longer dwells in the past. This shows when Sibyl dies and Dorian does not think much of it and has a kind of passive attitude. I agree with Katie when she says that this could be foreshadowing that Dorian will realize that Sibyl has taken her own life because of him and he will see that his attitude is much like Lord Henrys. I dont think he will like that and will change his ways.

February 20, 2007 9:59 PM  
Blogger Amy K said...

I think Sibyl's death completely symbolizes the path Dorian chooses to take from this point forward. He seemed torn in trying to find himself in the midst of Basil and Lord Henry and now I think he has made his decision to live for the beauty and the romantic side of life like Lord Henry. It's interesting because at first he shows remorse about treating her so poorly, but once Lord Henry comes in and tells him what to think he becomes a different version of himself. I think this scene in the book shows Lord Henry's FULL control over Dorian after he had been swaying. I agree that the changes Dorian sees in the painting are the wrongs he has done. I don't understand why he doesn't feel badly about them though. He hides the painting because he is ashamed. He'd rather be beautiful in person and have the painting take the punishment for his wrongdoing. He doesn't seem concerned with anything but his appearance to others. It's all downhill from here.

February 20, 2007 10:04 PM  
Blogger Kyle G said...

I think I almost completely agree with Jess. Sibyl's death was a turning point in Dorian's life, and is what I think signifies his final turn to evil. Though I think that Dorian started this turn before her death, it's just that I think that her death is what symbolizes this turn however. I think that the change in the picture is, in a way, Dorian accepting his descent into evil. I think, though he feels guilty at first, he eventually realizes that the portrait will take on all of his burdens. This makes him feel less guilty, and also makes him realize he has nothing to fear should he decide to do other deeds. As far as foreshadowing, I once again agree with Jess, I think it really just alludes to further evil deeds that are to be committed by Dorian. I think that we will see Dorian become even more evil, which will eventually lead to his downfall.

February 20, 2007 10:06 PM  
Blogger Haley C said...

I agree with Katie. Now that Sybil is no longer alive, Dorian has to face the truth. He cant just do whatever he wants anymore.

February 20, 2007 10:18 PM  
Blogger Marie P said...

I agree with a lot of people in that Sibyl's death shows the dramatic change in Dorian's character. He goes from a person who cares about everyone and everything to a person who believes that the past is that past and that doesn't have any compassion left. I also think that like in Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet the dramatic death of Sibyl is used to portray just how much in love with Dorian she was. If she were to move on and do nothing about it we wouls loose all significance of the relationship.

February 20, 2007 10:19 PM  
Blogger Mark C said...

I also agree that Sibyl's death symbolizes the control Lord Henry has on Dorian and Dorian's change in character since Basil painted him. I agree with Amy that "it is all downhill from here." Where else could it go? We have read so many stories and plays that begin a lot like the Picture of Dorian Grey. There is some tension between friends/lovers and then all of a sudden a character dies just as Sibyl has. They die based on a mistake of another character. After the death, the rest of the story is downhill for the main character and other people die(Think: Hamlet, Oedipus, Macbeth, A Midsummer Nights' Dream). I think this is why Lord Henry compares Sibyl to Ophelia.

As for the picture changing, I agree that he sees his wrongs, but I do not think is shows Dorian's satisfaction or contentment. I think that Dorian feels an incredible amount of guilt over the picture and that is why he hides it.

February 21, 2007 5:57 AM  
Blogger ashleyg said...

I find it very interesting that his picture changes everytime he commits I guess you could say a sinful act. I related sibyls death to The Great Gatsby when Mertyl killed that one mans wife and then her husband tried to cover it up. I think that Dorian killed Sibyl and doesn't remember it because he blacked out. I think Lord Henry and Basil kind of know and are trying to cover for him. I don't know its just what I think is REALLY going on.

February 21, 2007 7:23 AM  
Blogger Scott M said...

I think that the most significant part of Sibyl’s death is how it changed Dorian. It is also symbolic in the way that it really shows how Sibyl viewed her life, as one big play. Like I said I think the death of Sibyl is a huge turning point in the novel for Dorian. After her death he seems to take a sudden turn towards “manhood” and he seems to try to leave all of his childish ways behind him. He starts to try to think for himself and trying to almost be like Lord Henry in the way he analyzes his situation. The picture is simply a conformation to Dorian as to how he really feels. This is also the first time he realizes that he has sin, but he thinks he can be bigger then sin since he has his good looks so he doesn’t really heed the warning of the painting.

February 21, 2007 8:24 AM  
Blogger ashleym said...

I think that Sibyl's death was a wake up call for Dorian. I think that is kind of sent him the message the he is becoming too much like lord henry, kind of like katie said. I think that hopefully now Dorian will start to care more about the people and not just treat them as thought he is the "king" if you will. the changes in the picture demonstrates this as well.

February 21, 2007 8:36 AM  
Blogger CaitlinO said...

I think that Sibyl's death is symbolic because it shows what Sibyl thought of herself. She saw her life as a play. I also think that Sibyl's death is the beginning of a change in Dorian. I think there is something more that we don't know about yet that has to do with Sibyl's death. Everytimt Dorian commits a sin basically, the picture changes, so I think Dorian did something that we don't know about yet, reguarding Sibyl's death.

February 21, 2007 8:42 AM  
Blogger LeAnneC said...

I think that Sibyl's death signifies the power that Dorian exudes on others and think that she was his first victim of manipulation. I agree with Andy that it is something that shows his transformation in to Lord Henry, it shows his non-sympathetic nature coming through and it shows his disreguard for others around him. I think that her death foreshadows the ultimate destruction of Dorian Gray, I think that it shows his steps towards the maniplulation and the space that he is creating between him and Basil.

February 21, 2007 8:45 AM  
Blogger NathanK said...

I agree with Leanne that Sybil's death shows the power that Dorian has over others, specifically through his beauty. Her death, I think, will be the first of many as Dorian becomes more and more detached from his conscience and soul. His pursuit of pleasure without regard for how it affects him or others will eventually catch up with him and destroy him.

February 21, 2007 9:39 AM  
Blogger KatieA said...

THIS IS AMY BRYAN-I think that this picture represents so much mor than dorians beauty, i think that the picture holds truth and power and just something more. Everytime something is revealed about dorian and his faults or when something happens to dorian, the picture changes to show him is faults or or mortality. I think that sybils death just proves the hold that dorian has on people he is able to control and manipulate them without them knowing and then they die and dorian reveals more and more about himself without knowing as well.

February 21, 2007 9:56 AM  
Blogger DaveV said...

Personally i dont think that Sybil's death is really anything symbolic. I think it is more of just a tool to show how Dorian will react no that he has been influenced by Harry and to emphasize that point. As far as the picture is concerned, the changes just symbolize how dorian has sold himself to it. He lives his life through the picture and has the picture take all of his aging and imperfections. I don't think that the picture actaully physicaly changes tho, its not enchanted, the changes are all in dorians head they are all mental.

February 21, 2007 10:01 AM  
Blogger alex ma said...

I think that sybils death represents a part of Dorian that is dead now. I think that to an extent, Sybil was the societal "correctness" that Dorian might have felt he needed. After she dies (and after Lord Henry manipulatively consoles him) he says he will lead a life of “eternal youth, infinite passion, pleasures subtle and secret, wild joy and wilder sins,”. Even though he is visibly shaken, I would agree with numerous people that this is also an exercise of lord henry's control over Dorian and his emotions.

February 21, 2007 10:04 AM  
Blogger Matt W said...

I agree with Nathan. But I think that not only does it stand as proof that Dorian has power over others, but her death also is the realization that everyone can abuse power over others. I believe this is foreshadowing to show that Lord Henry's power may become overwhelming to Dorian. What if Lord henry finds Dorian has become bland and uninteresting. Will Dorian then kill himself?

February 21, 2007 10:33 AM  
Blogger AdamSG said...

i think the fact that sybil has killed herself shows that dorian's beauty is being lost in his lust for all that is beautiful. He is just a piece of artwork with no soul at all

February 21, 2007 10:36 AM  
Blogger ZachM said...

I think that sybil's death represents the last bit of Dorian that was true and pure has died. The way that Dorian treats Sybil before and after her death shows that Dorian has now fully gone over to Lord Henry's beliefs. Dorian is now a true Aesthetic, and has forgone love in his love completely.

February 21, 2007 11:09 AM  

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